Comments on: The Advaita Show #47 - ABC’ing Just Being http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/ The search for Truth and the nature of reality. Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:34:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Max http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-187133 Max Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:34:13 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-187133 Hey dudes, what's up? I haven't been checking the blog for a while, but it seems to still be going strong. I love the shows; always interesting and informative. Steve, I'm glad you've got a book, maybe I'll read it sometime. Tomasz, you're pretty sharp and spot on mate, I'm with you all the way, esp. about the dream bit. Cam, you make really good points and come at it from a different angle. It's all the same moon. The thing about science is that it's like a computer game inside a computer game. I think Tomasz is on about the whole computer game in general, not focussing on science. Keep up the good work In service, Max Hey dudes, what’s up? I haven’t been checking the blog for a while, but it seems to still be going strong. I love the shows; always interesting and informative. Steve, I’m glad you’ve got a book, maybe I’ll read it sometime. Tomasz, you’re pretty sharp and spot on mate, I’m with you all the way, esp. about the dream bit. Cam, you make really good points and come at it from a different angle. It’s all the same moon. The thing about science is that it’s like a computer game inside a computer game. I think Tomasz is on about the whole computer game in general, not focussing on science.

Keep up the good work

In service,
Max

]]> By: daniel http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-178424 daniel Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:16:39 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-178424 In some aspects I absolutely hate Ayn Rand and in others what she says makes the most sense in the world. You can beleive anything advaita, anything scientific, but it's your existance not anybody else's, so if you want to give it up to someone elses ideals go a head. There is no free will, you've got to pay good bucks for it!!!! In some aspects I absolutely hate Ayn Rand and in others what she says makes the most sense in the world. You can beleive anything advaita, anything scientific, but it’s your existance not anybody else’s, so if you want to give it up to someone elses ideals go a head. There is no free will, you’ve got to pay good bucks for it!!!!

]]> By: tom(asz)vds http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-177536 tom(asz)vds Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:51:51 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-177536 Only in the dream;-) Only in the dream;-)

]]> By: marcelo http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-177298 marcelo Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:07:24 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-177298 tomvds - mate, I'm sure I was much more annoying. I'm not gonna give you an advaita line, The comment I made was just a stupid comment. Go nuts brother - thats how we all got there. tomvds - mate, I’m sure I was much more annoying. I’m not gonna give you an advaita line, The comment I made was just a stupid comment.

Go nuts brother - thats how we all got there.

]]> By: marcelo http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-177050 marcelo Tue, 02 Sep 2008 08:07:10 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-177050 tomvds - i'll just hapily ignore that, thanks - man, was I that annoying in the past too? So Cam, can we drop rand then? Aren't we saying something similar about the bible? tomvds - i’ll just hapily ignore that, thanks - man, was I that annoying in the past too?

So Cam, can we drop rand then? Aren’t we saying something similar about the bible?

]]> By: Cameron http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176978 Cameron Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:36:22 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176978 Marcelo, I think in that video interview with Rand from the 50s she was quite adamant that America didn't have, and has never had, true capitalism. She argued that the large corporations in the US had already corrupted capitalism by pushing through a whole bunch of legislation giving them unnatural powers. I'm pretty sure she would have loathed the current form of American capitalism. It's the great irony that one of her best students went over to the darkside as the chairman of the Fed and made the situation even worse. Marcelo, I think in that video interview with Rand from the 50s she was quite adamant that America didn’t have, and has never had, true capitalism. She argued that the large corporations in the US had already corrupted capitalism by pushing through a whole bunch of legislation giving them unnatural powers. I’m pretty sure she would have loathed the current form of American capitalism. It’s the great irony that one of her best students went over to the darkside as the chairman of the Fed and made the situation even worse.

]]> By: tomvds http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176846 tomvds Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:45:02 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176846 Hi Marcello, Yes the intellectual understanding has to happen too. And I'm glad that worked out for you. But that's just as far as the mind can go. What you truly are needs NO help. There is no in-between. The realisation is SUDDEN and beyond comprehension. Then we realise we are the attention. Anyway: "“Forget everything and be happy” Hi Marcello,

Yes the intellectual understanding has to happen too. And I’m glad that worked out for you. But that’s just as far as the mind can go.
What you truly are needs NO help. There is no in-between. The realisation is SUDDEN and beyond comprehension. Then we realise we are the attention.
Anyway:
““Forget everything and be happy”

]]> By: tomvds http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176830 tomvds Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:16:30 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176830 Yes, everything is valid in the appearance Madmama. You're right Cameron:And yes the dream is real as a dream; As you said many times: To deny the reality of things is to miss their reality; To assert the emptiness of things is to miss their reality. Thanks Steven for that beautifull poem!!: "Forget everything and be happy" And as James Brown would put it: "Hair is the first thing. And teeth the second. Hair and teeth. A man got those two things he's got it All." Yes, everything is valid in the appearance Madmama.

You’re right Cameron:And yes the dream is real as a dream; As you said many times:
To deny the reality of things is to miss their reality;
To assert the emptiness of things is to miss their reality.

Thanks Steven for that beautifull poem!!: “Forget everything and be happy”

And as James Brown would put it:
“Hair is the first thing. And teeth the second. Hair and teeth. A man got those two things he’s got it All.”

]]> By: marcelo http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176827 marcelo Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:07:14 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176827 Man, I really dig Capra - the Tao of Physics was one the books that helped me get here. Science or 'some old bald indian' - whatever works - as long as you pay attention Man, I really dig Capra - the Tao of Physics was one the books that helped me get here.

Science or ’some old bald indian’ -

whatever works - as long as you pay attention

]]> By: marcelo http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176823 marcelo Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:50:41 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176823 "The basis of economic policy is distribution of resources. Rand is an elitist and promotes a form of elitism as preferable to collectivism. I prefer a utilitarian policy that attempts to distribute and redistribute resources for maximum good." Sorry, but I can't remember where that quote came from... Her views managed to line up extraordinarily well with the interests of corporate America, I don't have a problem with the book, for what it was worth back then... but, that was then, and this is now... Unfortunately, capitalist used that book to confirm that there actions were correct. I'd like to ask every one of the millions of people who felt the boot of Rand influenced capitalism if they were correct too. But hey, Cam, I respect you alot, so If you know something I don't know - please feel free to correct me. “The basis of economic policy is distribution of resources. Rand is an elitist and promotes a form of elitism as preferable to collectivism. I prefer a utilitarian policy that attempts to distribute and redistribute resources for maximum good.”

Sorry, but I can’t remember where that quote came from…

Her views managed to line up extraordinarily well with the interests of corporate America, I don’t have a problem with the book, for what it was worth back then… but, that was then, and this is now…
Unfortunately, capitalist used that book to confirm that there actions were correct. I’d like to ask every one of the millions of people who felt the boot of Rand influenced capitalism if they were correct too.

But hey, Cam, I respect you alot, so If you know something I don’t know - please feel free to correct me.

]]> By: MadMama http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176729 MadMama Mon, 01 Sep 2008 04:09:09 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176729 Tomasz, I'm new at this and don't really understand all you are saying but I can tell you that science has helped me to understand non-duality, some what. And how would you know "No one ever realised THIS after reading a book about quantumphysics." I've never heard a guru speak in person. never meditated, never attended a sansong (SP?). Isn't anything possible in appearence? If I'm not understanding please enlighten me. :) Thanks! Tomasz,
I’m new at this and don’t really understand all you are saying but I can tell you that science has helped me to understand non-duality, some what. And how would you know “No one ever realised THIS after reading a book about quantumphysics.” I’ve never heard a guru speak in person. never meditated, never attended a sansong (SP?). Isn’t anything possible in appearence? If I’m not understanding please enlighten me. :)
Thanks!

]]> By: Cameron Reilly http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176634 Cameron Reilly Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:38:40 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176634 Tomasz, as I've said here many times - the "dream" is real. It's a mistake to deny the existence of the universe. The dream is real. The universe is real. It is THAT. It's just the phenomenal aspect of the noumenon. Trying to deny the phenomenon to embrace the noumenon is missing the point. Tomasz, as I’ve said here many times - the “dream” is real. It’s a mistake to deny the existence of the universe. The dream is real. The universe is real. It is THAT. It’s just the phenomenal aspect of the noumenon. Trying to deny the phenomenon to embrace the noumenon is missing the point.

]]> By: Steven Witt http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176630 Steven Witt Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:12:42 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176630 Tomasz, I LOVE that you are fired up about the nothingness of all THIS. And I am with you. As WWW said in the quote i read on the show, most stop sort of including themselves in this emptiness. It's that simple. As for my ol pal Dr. Reilly, you really got to be around him sometime to get the fullness of that beast. He is on ALL the time and always interested in something...or not. He digs Napoleon, gets wet over deep physics and secretly believes that Hunter S. Thompson is in his body. And it's all good. He is one of a kind they just do not make enough of. The person who wrote this poem is too. Suffice to say, it says all that can be SAID. http://www.sentient.org/awakening/forget.html love Tomasz, I LOVE that you are fired up about the nothingness of all THIS. And I am with you. As WWW said in the quote i read on the show, most stop sort of including themselves in this emptiness.
It’s that simple.

As for my ol pal Dr. Reilly, you really got to be around him sometime to get the fullness of that beast. He is on ALL the time and always interested in something…or not.

He digs Napoleon, gets wet over deep physics and secretly believes that Hunter S. Thompson is in his body.

And it’s all good. He is one of a kind they just do not make enough of.

The person who wrote this poem is too. Suffice to say, it says all that can be SAID.

http://www.sentient.org/awakening/forget.html

love

]]> By: tomasz http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176620 tomasz Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:27:49 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176620 The NIZ was all about getting us to awaken to the dream. What he told us were just 'strategies' for that purpose. Luckily he wasn't explaining the Nature of Reality. That kind of knowledge is as good as dead and only furthers the belief in the dream. And would result in endless discussions of followers about what he really meant. Yes, we can use Science to better understand the nature of existence. And as a pointer we can use it as 'Neti-Neti'; We are not restricted to this nor to that. The NIZ was all about getting us to awaken to the dream. What he told us were just ’strategies’ for that purpose. Luckily he wasn’t explaining the Nature of Reality. That kind of knowledge is as good as dead and only furthers the belief in the dream. And would result in endless discussions of followers about what he really meant.

Yes, we can use Science to better understand the nature of existence. And as a pointer we can use it as ‘Neti-Neti’; We are not restricted to this nor to that.

]]> By: tomasz http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176572 tomasz Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:16:47 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176572 On his way back from the K'un-lun Mountains, the Yellow Emperor lost the Dark Pearl of Tao. He sent Knowledge to find it, but Knowledge was unable to understand it. He sent Distant Vision, but Distant Vision was unable to see it. He sent Eloquence, but Eloquence was unable to describe it. Finally, he sent Empty Mind, and Empty Mind came back with the Pearl. On his way back from the K’un-lun Mountains, the Yellow Emperor lost the Dark Pearl of Tao. He sent Knowledge to find it, but Knowledge was unable to understand it. He sent Distant Vision, but Distant Vision was unable to see it. He sent Eloquence, but Eloquence was unable to describe it.

Finally, he sent Empty Mind, and Empty Mind came back with the Pearl.

]]> By: tomasz http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176567 tomasz Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:49:02 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176567 'Don't Know' ! :-) ‘Don’t Know’ ! :-)

]]> By: Cameron Reilly http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176560 Cameron Reilly Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:28:29 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176560 Tomasz, have you had this direct experience of no atoms or interconnections? In this direct experience, what was there? And what was doing the direct experiencing? Tomasz, have you had this direct experience of no atoms or interconnections? In this direct experience, what was there? And what was doing the direct experiencing?

]]> By: tomasz http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176550 tomasz Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:43:28 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176550 Yes, and in direct experience there are no atoms nor interconnections. Its just knowledge in the mind that will keep you intellectualising. After closing the book on the Science of how all is interconnected , the reader will remain as he/she was; with the thought 'I am separate'. No one ever realised THIS after reading a book about quantumphysics. Anyway it's all fine. They are All THAT anyway. But what we are doesn't appear in the dream, interconnections included. Yes, and in direct experience there are no atoms nor interconnections. Its just knowledge in the mind that will keep you intellectualising. After closing the book on the Science of how all is interconnected , the reader will remain as he/she was; with the thought ‘I am separate’. No one ever realised THIS after reading a book about quantumphysics. Anyway it’s all fine. They are All THAT anyway.
But what we are doesn’t appear in the dream, interconnections included.

]]> By: Cameron Reilly http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176541 Cameron Reilly Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:02:33 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176541 Tomasz, you're getting worked up over two different fingers and missing that they are both pointing at the same moon. 30 years ago physicist Fritjof Capra wrote: "A careful analysis of the process of observation in atomic physics has shown that the subatomic particles have no meaning as isolated entities, but can only be understood as interconnections between the preparation of an experiment and the subsequent measurement. Quantum theory thus reveals a basic oneness of the universe." Ponder on that for a while and I think you'll see it's as profound a statement as anything the Niz ever said. The Niz just pointed to the oneness of all things and told us that if we investigated for ourselves, we would discover that we were THAT. Capra is hinting at the exact same thing, except instead of sitting in a little room in Mumbai smoking beadies, he was sitting in the Physics Dept at the University of London. While some people relate to the language of a Niz or a Bob, others relate to the language of scientific investigation. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you're being pointed at this by the Niz or by Capra or the Witt. It still requires a direct investigation and realization that what we are is THAT. Tomasz, you’re getting worked up over two different fingers and missing that they are both pointing at the same moon.

30 years ago physicist Fritjof Capra wrote:

“A careful analysis of the process of observation in atomic physics has shown that the subatomic particles have no meaning as isolated entities, but can only be understood as interconnections between the preparation of an experiment and the subsequent measurement. Quantum theory thus reveals a basic oneness of the universe.”

Ponder on that for a while and I think you’ll see it’s as profound a statement as anything the Niz ever said. The Niz just pointed to the oneness of all things and told us that if we investigated for ourselves, we would discover that we were THAT. Capra is hinting at the exact same thing, except instead of sitting in a little room in Mumbai smoking beadies, he was sitting in the Physics Dept at the University of London. While some people relate to the language of a Niz or a Bob, others relate to the language of scientific investigation.

At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter if you’re being pointed at this by the Niz or by Capra or the Witt. It still requires a direct investigation and realization that what we are is THAT.

]]> By: tomasz http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176532 tomasz Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:23:15 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176532 We already know that science will provide us only with a description. We already know that the described is not the actual. So we can stop expecting a child from a barren woman. So we can stop eating the menu, and have a hearty meal from uncensored Reality. But by all means let's enjoy Science cause Reality has got all kind of wonderful tricks up it's sleeve and is keeping up appearances to entertain young and old. We already know that science will provide us only with a description.
We already know that the described is not the actual.
So we can stop expecting a child from a barren woman.
So we can stop eating the menu, and have a hearty meal from uncensored Reality.
But by all means let’s enjoy Science cause Reality has got all kind of wonderful tricks up it’s sleeve and is keeping up appearances to entertain young and old.

]]> By: tomasz http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176528 tomasz Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:49:41 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176528 The Science of the 1st person as worked out by Douglas Harding not withstanding, science as we know it only ever points to discrete phenomena which are perceived as out there. (according to the X-files 'The Truth is Out There', but can truth be unevenly distributed in the Universe then why not call it a Duo-verse) "Science refers to a system of acquiring knowledge. This system uses observation and experimentation to describe and explain natural phenomena. The term science also refers to the organized body of knowledge people have gained using that system. Less formally, the word science often describes any systematic field of study or the knowledge gained from it" Scientist will have a hard time measuring the NOUMENON since it is NOT MANIFESTED The Science of the 1st person as worked out by Douglas Harding not withstanding, science as we know it only ever points to discrete phenomena which are perceived as out there. (according to the X-files ‘The Truth is Out There’, but can truth be unevenly distributed in the Universe then why not call it a Duo-verse)

“Science refers to a system of acquiring knowledge. This system uses observation and experimentation to describe and explain natural phenomena. The term science also refers to the organized body of knowledge people have gained using that system. Less formally, the word science often describes any systematic field of study or the knowledge gained from it”

Scientist will have a hard time measuring the NOUMENON since it is NOT MANIFESTED

]]> By: tomasz http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176526 tomasz Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:22:24 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176526 As someone said: "The Universe does not exists out af Atoms, It exists out of stories" Science will give us just another story; Fascinating as it maybe, it will only be a more accurate description of the Dream. THAT is not something in the dream, wich is an illusion in the sense that it has no separate existence. Reality as it is commonly perceived is only real in this sense: Where is the dream of yesterday, can you pinpoint it? Did it actually happen? As someone said:

“The Universe does not exists out af Atoms,
It exists out of stories”

Science will give us just another story; Fascinating as it maybe, it will only be a more accurate description of the Dream. THAT is not something in the dream, wich is an illusion in the sense that it has no separate existence. Reality as it is commonly perceived is only real in this sense: Where is the dream of yesterday, can you pinpoint it? Did it actually happen?

]]> By: tomasz http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176525 tomasz Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:08:54 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176525 1)Science happens in and as THAT as behaviour. Wich as Steven Witt points out in 'ABC-ing just being'; "Seeing clearly your non-separate Nature has not one thing to do with behavior." 2) And as the NIZ points out ever so clearly "Knowledge is bondage". Nothing can be said about that. No knowledge can be acquired. No bald Indian guy in diapers knew more about THAT; Maybe they knew more about what's holding you back from seeing THIS. How will science acquire knowledge about 'DON't KNOW'? 3)Science is based on observation, but every observation is the endresult of a proces of omitting, omitting, omitting in the brain as Stephen H Wolinsky points out. Science sees reality through a tiny peephole (brain, microscope, telescope) wich filters and colors reality. If you positively identify something as an atom, or an electron then you're in the world of illusion. Then you're drawing circles on a flowing river. It's all THAT but appears as separate 'atoms', 'electrons'. What Science is left if you drop all categories? 1)Science happens in and as THAT as behaviour. Wich as Steven Witt points out in ‘ABC-ing just being’; “Seeing clearly your non-separate Nature has not one thing to do with behavior.”
2) And as the NIZ points out ever so clearly “Knowledge is bondage”. Nothing can be said about that. No knowledge can be acquired. No bald Indian guy in diapers knew more about THAT; Maybe they knew more about what’s holding you back from seeing THIS. How will science acquire knowledge about ‘DON’t KNOW’?
3)Science is based on observation, but every observation is the endresult of a proces of omitting, omitting, omitting in the brain as Stephen H Wolinsky points out. Science sees reality through a tiny peephole (brain, microscope, telescope) wich filters and colors reality. If you positively identify something as an atom, or an electron then you’re in the world of illusion. Then you’re drawing circles on a flowing river. It’s all THAT but appears as separate ‘atoms’, ‘electrons’. What Science is left if you drop all categories?

]]> By: Cameron http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176503 Cameron Sun, 31 Aug 2008 04:16:00 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176503 Tomasz, how do you imagine science is NOT valid concerning THAT? Do you think old bald Indian men have an exclusive license on pointing to the truth? It's true that science operates with concepts - as does the mind, and do we not use the mind to discuss, to inquire about the true nature of our Self, to read The NIZ? Science is a valid tool for enquiry. In the end it points to the same truth the Niz did. After all, what else could it point to? I never said I could "wrap my mind around THAT". Physics, just like the Niz and the Bob, shows us that our minds are limited and that the reality of our identity is very, very different from what we perceive with our tiny primate brains. Tomasz, how do you imagine science is NOT valid concerning THAT? Do you think old bald Indian men have an exclusive license on pointing to the truth? It’s true that science operates with concepts - as does the mind, and do we not use the mind to discuss, to inquire about the true nature of our Self, to read The NIZ? Science is a valid tool for enquiry. In the end it points to the same truth the Niz did. After all, what else could it point to? I never said I could “wrap my mind around THAT”. Physics, just like the Niz and the Bob, shows us that our minds are limited and that the reality of our identity is very, very different from what we perceive with our tiny primate brains.

]]> By: tomasz http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176411 tomasz Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:17:44 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176411 How do you IMAGINE that SCIENCE is just as valid concerning THAT? How do you IMAGINE wrapping your MIND around THAT wich cannot be objectified? SCIENCE only ever operates on the level of APPEARANCES and CONCEPTS. I can Imagine that if you reduce this KNOWING to a felt sense in the body of 'JUST BEING' then offcourse that can be studied because it's JUST AN APPEARANCE. But that's NOT what the NIZ was about. How do you IMAGINE that SCIENCE is just as valid concerning THAT?
How do you IMAGINE wrapping your MIND around THAT wich cannot be objectified?
SCIENCE only ever operates on the level of APPEARANCES and CONCEPTS.

I can Imagine that if you reduce this KNOWING to a felt sense in the body of ‘JUST BEING’ then offcourse that can be studied because it’s JUST AN APPEARANCE. But that’s NOT what the NIZ was about.

]]> By: joni http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176190 joni Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:15:05 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176190 He was playing real good for free , thank you:) He was playing real good for free , thank you:)

]]> By: Cameron http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176013 Cameron Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:55:22 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176013 Marcelo, what your problem with the ideas contained in The Fountainhead? Marcelo, what your problem with the ideas contained in The Fountainhead?

]]> By: marcelo http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-176012 marcelo Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:43:34 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-176012 I still don't get how intelligent men fell for the Fountainhead thing. Then again, I still don't get how intelligent people believe in the Bible. If the effects of Fountainhead weren't so horrific, it'd be funny. I still don’t get how intelligent men fell for the Fountainhead thing. Then again, I still don’t get how intelligent people believe in the Bible.

If the effects of Fountainhead weren’t so horrific, it’d be funny.

]]> By: daniel http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-175986 daniel Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:23:35 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-175986 Good nite Gracy:) Good nite Gracy:)

]]> By: Cameron http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-175961 Cameron Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:09:20 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-175961 you give me shit? I never noticed. :-) you give me shit? I never noticed. :-)

]]> By: daniel http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-175916 daniel Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:42:22 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-175916 I feel like an idiot, I always thik of something else to say after the fact. I've listening to you since advaita #4 and my favorite Gday world was the one with kurzweil, I do listen but I'm kind of selective.Thats all no more I promise!!!! I feel like an idiot, I always thik of something else to say after the fact. I’ve listening to you since advaita #4 and my favorite Gday world was the one with kurzweil, I do listen but I’m kind of selective.Thats all no more I promise!!!!

]]> By: daniel http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-175914 daniel Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:24:35 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-175914 you know i've always thought rand as the queen of selfishness and kind of spurn alot of her ideas,but from experience I know in some cases it may be the right course,but as you say bringing people out of poverty may outweight that especially if you beleive in advaita and oneness of us all. It's too bad that some countries are as selfish as they are and think the worlds resources belong to them! Cameron I do appreciate you taking the time to talk with someone you don't know that sometimes gives you shit. I surely hope that internet doesn't get taken over by profiteers and this kind of thing can continue, you don't have to respond to this ,I appreciate the time you've taken," lassez faire" you do love your french:) you know
i’ve always thought rand as the queen of selfishness and kind of spurn alot of her ideas,but from experience I know in some cases it may be the right course,but as you say bringing people out of poverty may outweight that especially if you beleive in advaita and oneness of us all. It’s too bad that some countries are as selfish as they are and think the worlds resources belong to them! Cameron I do appreciate you taking the time to talk with someone you don’t know that sometimes gives you shit. I surely hope that internet doesn’t get taken over by profiteers and this kind of thing can continue, you don’t have to respond to this ,I appreciate the time you’ve taken,” lassez faire” you do love your french:)

]]> By: Cameron http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-175850 Cameron Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:16:33 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-175850 The idea that humans had free will was pretty core to Objectivism. I suspect she would have scorned anyone who tried to suggest that free will was an illusion. Objectivism was more of a social and moral philosophy than a spiritual philosophy though. She was more interested in how we live together in society than the true nature of existence. And I agree with a great deal of what she had to say about society. I still consider myself a lassez faire capitalist. The one idea I would love to discuss with Ayn would be when altruism *is* in our best interests, which is the way i think today. I don't see altruism as a responsibility but as an opportunity. The more people we bring out of poverty, the more people can contribute to the progress of the human race at a much higher level. The idea that humans had free will was pretty core to Objectivism. I suspect she would have scorned anyone who tried to suggest that free will was an illusion. Objectivism was more of a social and moral philosophy than a spiritual philosophy though. She was more interested in how we live together in society than the true nature of existence. And I agree with a great deal of what she had to say about society. I still consider myself a lassez faire capitalist. The one idea I would love to discuss with Ayn would be when altruism *is* in our best interests, which is the way i think today. I don’t see altruism as a responsibility but as an opportunity. The more people we bring out of poverty, the more people can contribute to the progress of the human race at a much higher level.

]]> By: daniel http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-175815 daniel Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:00:45 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-175815 Cameron you are not the ugly mug you think yourself to be,"60 minutes" no movie stars there. On miro look at "end of the world as we know it "and see if that doesn't give you some idea how you might do it, you have to know some geeks that could figure it out. Do you think ayn rand knew about free will? Cameron you are not the ugly mug you think yourself to be,”60 minutes” no movie stars there. On miro look at “end of the world as we know it “and see if that doesn’t give you some idea how you might do it, you have to know some geeks that could figure it out. Do you think ayn rand knew about free will?

]]> By: Cameron http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-175804 Cameron Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:57:34 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-175804 Daniel, yep, know about Miro and think it's great. The problem I have with video is that the majority of the show I do involve chatting with people on the other side of the planet. Do people really want to look at my ugly mug while I talk to someone they can't see? I don't know how to simulate the 'satellite link' interview as you see it on TV. Any suggestions? Daniel, yep, know about Miro and think it’s great. The problem I have with video is that the majority of the show I do involve chatting with people on the other side of the planet. Do people really want to look at my ugly mug while I talk to someone they can’t see? I don’t know how to simulate the ’satellite link’ interview as you see it on TV. Any suggestions?

]]> By: daniel http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-175770 daniel Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:47:41 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-175770 Cameron do you know about Miro? I've thought that having a more video format would be much more competitive for tpn. Why compete with radio' they're more music oriented and your show is quite diversified . A video format would be much more appealing to me as well as others. As an example the advaita show you did with Bob on video was much more compelling than just the voice recording. I suppose this isn't anything new to you and do to equipment costs it might not be practical. Cameron do you know about Miro? I’ve thought that having a more video format would be much more competitive for tpn. Why compete with radio’ they’re more music oriented and your show is quite diversified . A video format would be much more appealing to me as well as others. As an example the advaita show you did with Bob on video was much more compelling than just the voice recording. I suppose this isn’t anything new to you and do to equipment costs it might not be practical.

]]> By: Cameron http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-175759 Cameron Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:19:41 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-175759 thanks for the tips! Watching now! thanks for the tips! Watching now!

]]> By: daniel http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-175753 daniel Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:43:46 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-175753 As a by the by dude there are several interviews of ayn rand on you tube, the ones with mike wallace are quite interesting. As a by the by dude there are several interviews of ayn rand on you tube, the ones with mike wallace are quite interesting.

]]> By: Mark http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-175623 Mark Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:02:27 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-175623 Hey Cam - Ken Wilber did a series of interviews with Ayn Rand's ex-husband whose name completely escapes me at the moment. It was only a few years ago so I think he's still around. Great interview. You might find it via www.integralnaked.com Hey Cam - Ken Wilber did a series of interviews with Ayn Rand’s ex-husband whose name completely escapes me at the moment. It was only a few years ago so I think he’s still around. Great interview. You might find it via http://www.integralnaked.com

]]> By: Cameron http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2008/08/19/the-advaita-show-47-abcing-just-being/#comment-175484 Cameron Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:48:50 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/?p=96#comment-175484 Don't you listen to G'Day World mate? I'm sure I've done a show or two about her over there. I've actually tried to find an Objectivism expert to come on the show. If you know anyone, send 'em my way. As for my life, well I learned along time ago that I'm not in control so whatever happens is okay with me. :-) Don’t you listen to G’Day World mate? I’m sure I’ve done a show or two about her over there. I’ve actually tried to find an Objectivism expert to come on the show. If you know anyone, send ‘em my way. As for my life, well I learned along time ago that I’m not in control so whatever happens is okay with me. :-)

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