I just saw through it, thankyou all

Perhaps the separate independent entity is just a collection of preferences, thoughts, memories, etc, anyway. And what is it we’ve learned about the separate independent entity?

If I cut myself, something needs to be done to stop the bleeding. As much as I accept that it is all THAT - the blood, the cut, the effort to stop the bleeding etc

If I just sat there and said, it’s all good, it’s all that and didn’t do anything about it.
I’d bleed and get ill and miss the point that everything is THAT.

So again, how to stop old habits that spit out negatives?

The only way I can work this out, is if I accept either that I can stop them or I cannot. If it’s like the rising of the sun, then I can’t stop it, and I’ll accept whatever story is going on here. But If I believe what teachers tell me and see that habits can be broken, then I can make an effort to do so.

I’m probably going round in circles here. Mind you, it’s not like I’m sitting here crying hugging a bottle of Scotch loading bullets into a gun. But if I can’t stop the negatives, then why the hell did I stop doing drugs!

I hope that hasn’t muddied the water, this ‘little guy’ always like to add the proviso that he doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. But that’s another story….

Doesn’t one fight disease if it comes along? Don’t we name it, judge it, question and fight it?

I accept that everything is THAT. And within THAT, a disease called conditioning has taken place that is detrimental. And I get that my fighting of THAT is also THAT?

Isn’t that what the seekers path is? Changing what is? Actually passing judgement etc

Is this not a preference, changing what is, so there is no more belief in the conditioning of who we thought we were? Is that not a preference?

That’s another loaded quote, and I can be very literal.

‘those’ would imply many, as in ‘people’. People have preferences, If we didn’t, life would be boring.

Your true nature has no preferences. ‘those’ is not your true nature. That would be giving power to the duality.

My understanding is that our true nature is untouched. So, Cam, what I am asking here is about Marcelo, the ‘little guy’. My true nature need not be attended to.

We are dealing with Marcelo’s confused state are we not? Or are we saying that Marcelo is being intimately expressed, and therefore it is ‘awareness’ that brings up the negativity? How is that possible? Wouldn’t that imply that your true nature is actually not like the mirror, but instead vigourously engaged?

I’ve seen what your trying to point me to Cam. Let me drop the ’seeming’ And call it all reality, all non dual. I know what my true nature is.
Knowing that doesn’t make Marcelo and his conditioning disappear. I’ve listened to G’day World I know that conditioning hasn’t disappeared for you too. I doubt if Bob goes to heavy metal concerts, I’m sure he has conditioning that continues. He has said it in previous podcasts.

These thoughts that come up negative is all conditioning. Bob said that old habits are hard to break. But that just confuses me. Where are these habits? How to break them?

Is it just by seeing my true nature? I have seen things drop off, simply by seeing the truth.

I might just be too eager for this thing to continue to flower.

If so, I’ll ask owner of this computer about downloading skype onto his computer.

shouldn’t be a prob

The ‘I’ would be the “little guy” As in Marcelo the seeming person.

“Who’s asking the question” gives me the answer that I think your trying to point out…

There is no one asking the question, and no one giving out ‘negatives’ - but in the manifestation, there is Marcelo and thoughts which represent seeming duality. These thoughts that come up negative — there the ones I’m talking about.

Even Bob says that preferences remain. Last time I checked, you were straight married with kids. It’s not like you jumped on a moving podium dressed in a thong and waved your gay pride once you had this realisation (come to think about it, I haven’t done that either). My point is that I still have no desire to eat vagina (like I really wanna tongue a tentacle-less squid… man, you guys were so duped on that one…. talk about conditioning!).

Seriously though… what’s the deal? Any genuine answers to my questions?

Who has no preferences? Every seeming person has preferences.

Let me play this out for you.

I want to do this (whatever that may be) but a thought comes up and habits kick in that try to stop that, like ‘i’m not good enough’(I had two homophobic parents, one Catholic and one Atheist - and frankly I deserve some sort of medal for that alone- One tells me that God hates fags and the other tells me that there is no God only people hate fags).

Where are these habits? Can I stop them? Will it all of a sudden just stop, like when I quit drinking Coke?

If there is no such thing as mind other than thought, then where are these old habits coming up from?

Are they coming up because they are a biological strain of film that keeps playing itself out in the brain?

If so, how could I have a chat to the dude in the projector room and get him to change the reel?

If it’s directly coming up just like the sun. Then how does one eliminate the habit pattern that keeps coming up with negatives all the time, if it’s coming up instantly without provocation. Or is there a subtle provocation? If so where would it be?

Am I stuck with the negatives? If so, is that part of this ‘marcelo’ movie? Can i fire the director and hire a new one? Or am I acting like the producer that just can’t understand the vision of the movie because he’s too eager for success.

How can I encourage the writers to go on strike? Because it seems that Marcelo-The Movie is going directly to DVD. No special box set, no special features, just sitting there, right next to every Tim Allen movie ever made.

And if it’s correct that what I truly am is beyond the world of phenomena, then it’s clear that I am not an epiphenomenon. By the way, Cameron, on one of your earlier shows you were wondering what epiphenomenalism is. It’s when you’re basically a materialist but you acknowledge that you have conscious experiences, then you will view those conscious experiences as a side-effect (epiphenomenon) of certain arrangements of matter, so it would be dependent (supervenient) on matter. That’s how I understand it.

Thanks for both replies.

Only you can answer the question however. You need to start by working out what this “I” is that you refer to. When you say “I may be consciousness”, what are you referring to?

It seems that there are reminders and themes that appear to have cycles to them within what is called time.

Look at the coincidence of similar questions asked in the context of advaita, to the point where the answer is repeatedly and very basically the same.

You are that and that is you…all over…finished…FULL STOP.

“According to Occam’s razor, positing an underlying mechanism for meaningfully interpreted correlations is an unsupported explanation for a ‘meaningful coincidence’ which may be explained by simple coincidence.”

Sorry, Max, but in a library the likelihood is pretty damned high that you’ll see words that coincidentally form seemingly meaningful phrases. This is especially true when perusing the Eastern philosophy and psychology section.

Introducing …… James Brown

(Gordon is his middle name)

Then you find dear Alan Watts….sweet and so, well. quotable

As Watts also said: “No need to go deeper than deep.”

love

“Zen is really extraordinarily simple as long as one doesn’t try to be cute about it or beat around the bush. Zen is simple the sensation and the clear understanding that, to put it in Zen terms, there are “ten thousand formations; one suchness”.

Have you read the latest essay on John Wheeler’s site about Consciousness being a state that rises with the body/mind. “So the presence of the body/mind is a necessary requirement for Consciousness to manifest and for awareness to become aware that it is…”

The guy runs a serious risk of losing his credibility with this sort of misleading stuff.

Here’s a quote from Douglas E. Hardings’s ‘Face to No~Face’ which literally just fell of the book shelf and may be of some benefit to the reader thereof:~

“Question: When you live from Who you really are, does the little one fall away and eventually dissappear?

DEH: Not in my experience. I can’t dispense with the little guy in the mirror. There he is. Nor can I deny that he is what other people make of me. Nor can I deny that I have all sorts of ideas about what is there in the mirror. One’s ideas of personality are constellated round that picture. Some people want to dispose of that guy there, but he is enormously valuable. What does that little guy do? Like a magnet, he pulls this face from Here and shows me where I keep it. This is enormously important, indispensable in my life. One of the greatest instruments of the truth that God is nearer to me than Douglas is the mirror, which takes that Douglas obstruction out of God’s way. My mirror is a marvelous, marvelous teacher, more valuable than all the scriptures of the world.”

R.I.P. mate.