yes. Ultimately i agree.

You said: Go beyond the words. Examine the idea of “me”.

i do. (That happens :-)) And yes … in that place it’s always an utter shock to me that the little personality can appear to be so real. i agree.

And then there is kind of nothing else to say about it.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK old son. I’ll keep listening in. rock n roll buddy! i’m off for a beer of 10.

Go beyond the words. Examine the idea of “me”. Does it hold up under investigation? Where is it? What is it? What is doing the dreaming?

Now… pass the food, I’m hungry.

i forgot about you guys. Old Cameron’s at it now as well. Dangerous to who? you ask. That is the problem with words, language. You can always catch me out. That’s my point. If you want an answer try this on for size. dangerous to whomever wants to wake up.

You’ll now say: Whom wants to wake up?
an i say me.
and you say “who is me?”
and i say ME! ME! ME! ME! This me in the dream that is continually searching. and the reason i’m still here being dreamt is because stupid blooming statements are being made keeping me alive. THAT IS WHAT IS BLOODY WELL DANGEROUS old son.

And … there is no answer. It’s all dripping.

“I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams. (Hamlet, II.ii)”

Yep… it goes on. If you like “Hamlet” for its rich advaita overtones, you’ll love “Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead”, by Tom Stoppard, which is a take off on “Hamlet”. The basic premise (as you probably know) is that the two most expendable characters from “Hamlet” get a play of their own. We see everything that happens to them when they are “offstage”, and then witness them coming “onstage”, when they are compelled to say their scripted lines. It’s deep, but it’s funny. Free will, fate, and suicide. Can’t beat it.

To be, or not to be: that is the question.

This above all: to thine own self be true.

There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.

Everybody says the truth is right in front of your nose, but nobody seems to able to “get it” without going through a time of intense effort. I am confident that the truth will eventually present itself and I will be able to get hold of it. Did you know that you use the word “hints” when you try to explain things, Steve? “Hints”, may sound like coyness (”Why don’t you just flat out tell me?”) but I am starting to understand that a certain amount of indirection is necessary. Words alone just don’t cut it. Hints are good. Keep ‘em coming!

Second point - I teach EngLit (there, I’ve said it!). You don’t want to get me started on the advaita/lit connections. “Hamlet”, for example, is little more than an extended meditation on karma yoga. Essentially Hamlet must decide whether or not it makes sense to seek revenge for his father’s murder. What is his duty here? Is it better to act, or to avoid action? What does it mean to “act”? How is it possible to avoid action? In what sense do I feel like I should be an agent of retribution? “Hamlet” has always been seen as a play with a tragic hero whose tragic flaw is “thinking too deeply”, or “procrastination”. I have always seen it as a dramatic presentation of karma yoga - a sort of Western riff on the Bhagavad Gita. In the end Hamlet does what he was always going to do.

I Am That is the ultimate truth… but a close second is that ice cold beer tastes good.

Be happy to share a couple of virtual beers when your ready

The realisation of what, and to whom?

And I don’t see whats cliche about the dancefloor statement it. When was the last time you heard anyone actually say that? Is it more cliche then your pond?

As to the “theres nothing to be done” comment - Theres nothing to be done because theres no one doing… its being done. If nothing is being done then thats whats happening, if something is being done, then thats whats happening too. If you wanna sit on your ass and watch tv all day and seemingly forget about it, then thats were your going -you’ll know alot about TV but thats about it. If not, then you might end up doing satsangs and talking about this stuff and be reminded of it consistently -

Wherever it takes you, is where its meant to go.

Thats called being chilled out.

Did you notice that intro on your 13th or 22nd listen?

Good on ya mate.

Hey, Gary, c’mon the show. I actually hear ya on that word “dangerous” and we can explain why. Cameron is just doing that Adviata police crap. What does he know?

Nice find indeed Wyatt…you dug his as up!!!

Start from realizing “you” are That…then move up to …thoughts are That, mind is That, all emotions… anxiety, happiness, anger… are That too. You, thoughts, emotions, mind, ego are all tyransparent clearness. All transparently connected

You are a puddle on the ocean… thinking you are seperate… but even the thought is a drop of water on the puddle.

Mike Smith

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6629637712631310310&q=nisargadatta

You reply: “Questions are part of it. There is never a movement away from it.
All the world is a dancefloor, moving in different modes, to the same beat.”. That is the most cliche statement i’ve ever heard.

I hate the bullshit sidestepping and pc nonsense that to happen when talking about this thing. can’t we just read between the lines here and stop correcting eachothers gramma

Questions are useless in the realm of clear seeing. Yes it is true that questions are part of the whole. And that is not a helpful statement in any way shape or form. Seeing that questions are part of the whole is a consequence. Nothing matters after. Nothing. Before the seeing i think the best teachers keep things simple. (bob does this beautifully). It’s like when people say there’s nothing to be done. Of course in hindsight that is the case. And before the realisation that is not true. to say there’s nothing to be done is informing the personality and that is dangerous. Oh Marcelo, please excuse the above gramma. I had to write this very very fast no time for editing here.

I’ll try the repeated ‘me’ exercise.

I don’t talk to friends about this stuff because I have no friends. No enemies either. I’m pretty much a recluse.

Bob often talks about patterns. Maybe this is how the energy fits into this. The Oneness forming patterns may be seen as energy. Not sure if this is what is meant. We have to “dig up” Bob and ask him.

I can be a lazy typer sometimes

“That which sees” - So, the stillness sees, I understand that. I understand cognizing emptiness? Is that what your saying?

How can this stilness be called energy though? Energy is movement. Is this energy refference just the appearance, the movement? Surely energy can’t be a refference to that no-thing? I understand that all words are embedded in the human condition and therefore limited, and cannot ever come close to it, as hard as we try, but I think energy, which implies movement is too far away from no-movement.

I’m just arguing a technical point here Rich. Just trying to figure out Bobs words.

Over a decade of friendship - thats how I helped him drop the ‘but’!

We have always spoken of these things, but only after it came clear to me, was I actually able to help. He also started reading Bobs book, and did a few douglas Hardings experiments - but prior to that we had had a few ‘chats’ - one on one satsangs.

I have this experiment that I do with a few friends that have always come to me for talks about non -duality. Nothing too flash or original about what I do. I just get them to repeat the word “me” over and over, untill they realise that they are ‘watching’ the word and are not that “me” word. Pretty simple really. But after 10 years of effort on mine and his part, after knocking down layer after layer - it finally hit him. Anyway, thats what he says.

My friend wasn’t a seeker in the traditional sense - though neither was I. But the way I see it, I think everyone is seeking somehow. I’m sure you speak to friends etc, and they may get curious as to what your on about. Same thing happened here.

BTW, great seeing bobs handsome shiney-bald-head on the video-cast as well. Are you planning any more vid stuff Cameron?

‘T’

Inelligence energy, I think, is one of many terms used interchangeably by Bob (presence awareness, cognizing emptiness, self-shining emptiness, etc,) As such it is the unmanifest upon which the manifest appears.

When you see no energy at what you think is a center, that which sees is what is spoken of above.

How did you help a friend drop the ‘but’?

Questions are part of it. There is never a movement away from it.

All the world is a dancefloor, moving in different modes, to the same beat.

That’s how over analytical people are Corey - over analyse without seeing. You can’t force yourself to full stop, but at some point, things will fall into place, it’ll hit you when you least expect it - thats how it happens for over analytical people.

It won’t be long before you can see the forest… and the trees.

It took me a few good years, where all other actions kind of stopped in order to find it (though this i’m sure is not true for every seeker). But as soon as I saw it, rather then just understand it on some conceptual level. Then… bam!
Thanks bob…I mean thanks, umm, er no one, crap! Advaita destroys normal language - which is a good thing - we need an advaita dictionary where every description for every word is blank.

There was always the ‘but’ for me (I am holding back here, trying to stay serious and not make a joke about that (damn!… I just did)). Meeting Bob helped me drop the ‘but’. Also, turning 35 may have helped me drop the ‘but’(ok, ok… so I have no free will - btw that was a joke about ageing) - seriously though, meeting Bob isn’t necessary, as I have helped a friend recently drop the ‘but’. And hell, I’m what other people call ‘a homo’ the lowest of the low, a sinner against all religous Gods evil sodomite - I’m the reason why the world is coming to an end etc

If I found it, then anyone can find it.

I liked how you guys were talking about no one being home, then Corey drops out and all you can hear is Cam going “Are you there… ?”

I have a question actually which just came up. It’s about the term intelligence energy. What is bob referring to? The no - thing or the appearance - I know that they are one in the same but if I point to my center, I see no energy(movement) or intelligence, just no-thing.

So, what up Bob?

Am I not seeing the forest for the trees here or what?

Gary Lashmar
ZEN PROVINCE OF CANARY WHARF
LONDON 2007

Cam and Steve, thank you both for the help.

P.S. What do ya think of this name for a book i’m writing?

WAKE UP YOU SLEEPY BASTARDS?

Hou about a new show with a panel of 4 people. With you, Elliot, Steve, and a new guest on each show.
Your guest would be nonduality teachers and /or people who are trying to get that they do not exist .

What do you think ?

Cam - sounds like Bob might be interested in making an occasional guest appearance or even resuming doing the show on regular basis, perhaps?

Please say “yes”, Cam and Bob - give us hope!

Thanks,

Helen in LA

How about William Shakespeare and Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj.

Odd that they are so completely different yet say the same thing. Perhaps it is not they who speak?

“In deep sleep you are not a self-conscious person, yet you are alive. When you are alive and conscious, but no longer self-conscious, you are not a person any more. During the waking hours you are, as if on the stage, playing a role, but what are you when the play is over? You are what you are; what you were before the play began you remain when it is over. Look at yourself as performing on the stage of life. The performance may be splendid or clumsy, but you are not in it, you merely watch it; with interest and sympathy, of course, but keeping in mind all the time that you are only watching while the play -life- is going on.”

Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

“To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow; a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.”

–From Macbeth (V, v, 19)

Play on fellow idiots, play on. But do not pretend that “you” have even a tittle of control or say in how this grand play unfolds.

Therein lies true freedom.

And real Love.

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love your show, please go on, you make my long car rits enjoyable.
I’ve found some other stuff on the web:
Eli Bear Jaxon, Ganga ji, John Sherman, catherine Ingram

Maybe some insights on them or other tips to listen to?
Especially i am interested in talks about struggling (getting money earned for ye kids) and get loose with it

— lost my head ….