Comments on: The Advaita Show #023 - “I Am That… BUT” http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/ The search for Truth and the nature of reality. Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:12:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Tan http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-899 Tan Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:48:51 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-899 maybe you should do that. :-) maybe you should do that. :-)

]]> By: Nadeem http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-892 Nadeem Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:38:30 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-892 ... still hasn't happened... darn... Maybe I should try juggling to end the attachment... or should I buy another book from Bob?... or maybe I should write my own pointing book... … still hasn’t happened… darn… Maybe I should try juggling to end the attachment… or should I buy another book from Bob?… or maybe I should write my own pointing book…

]]> By: Tan http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-774 Tan Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:02:35 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-774 Nadeem. The belief in "You" is the attachment to thinking. The belief in "You" is the walking prison. There is no right or wrong about that. It may cease when the belief in you ceases. But "you" can not do this. no one can. it just may happen. cheers sorry for ranting. Nadeem.
The belief in “You” is the attachment to thinking.
The belief in “You” is the walking prison.
There is no right or wrong about that.
It may cease when the belief in you ceases. But “you” can not do this. no one can.
it just may happen.
cheers

sorry for ranting.

]]> By: Nadeem http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-768 Nadeem Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:45:15 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-768 Nothing new comes up when I sit with it. The senses are there, thoughts are there, feelings are there. I think if it was about just sitting with it, there would be far more 'sages' than there are. Nothing new comes up when I sit with it. The senses are there, thoughts are there, feelings are there. I think if it was about just sitting with it, there would be far more ’sages’ than there are.

]]> By: Nadeem http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-767 Nadeem Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:42:30 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-767 ...and how does the 'attachment' to the thoughts cease? …and how does the ‘attachment’ to the thoughts cease?

]]> By: Bob Seal http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-762 Bob Seal Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:32:45 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-762 "Thoughts don’t fuck anything up" Until they fuck something up. Just leave them alone and they go home wagging their tails behind them. :) Can't remember the rest of this nursery rhyme! That's Right Stan, . . . non-attachment! best advice I've ever heard. Bottom line is it doesn't matter what thoughts do. Just don't attach to them or you're in the shit. There's No You to attach or not, so who cares? Whatever happens, happens. Nadeem said "but the mind still has all of its tendencies. What needs to happen now?" The mind will continue as before. NON-ATTACHMENT to mind! witness only. no view for or against any-thing. Sit with That and see what comes up. I know, I sound like a parrot on Sailor Bob's shoulder. True. I hear it too! Sorry, Sailor Bob this stuff is just like vomit it keeps coming up. . . . Ok, I'll shut the fuck up now. :) “Thoughts don’t fuck anything up” Until they fuck something up.
Just leave them alone and they go home wagging their tails behind them. :)
Can’t remember the rest of this nursery rhyme!
That’s Right Stan, . . . non-attachment! best advice I’ve ever heard.
Bottom line is it doesn’t matter what thoughts do.
Just don’t attach to them or you’re in the shit.
There’s No You to attach or not, so who cares? Whatever happens, happens.

Nadeem said “but the mind still has all of its tendencies. What needs to happen now?”

The mind will continue as before.
NON-ATTACHMENT to mind! witness only. no view for or against any-thing.
Sit with That and see what comes up.
I know, I sound like a parrot on Sailor Bob’s shoulder. True. I hear it too!
Sorry, Sailor Bob this stuff is just like vomit it keeps coming up.

. . . Ok, I’ll shut the fuck up now. :)

]]> By: Nadeem http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-761 Nadeem Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:38:41 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-761 I investigate my direct experience. There is clearly no 'self' here. Done. Now what? I genuinely see that there is no self, but the mind still has all of its tendencies. What needs to happen now? I investigate my direct experience. There is clearly no ’self’ here. Done. Now what? I genuinely see that there is no self, but the mind still has all of its tendencies. What needs to happen now?

]]> By: Craig http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-760 Craig Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:24:36 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-760 It sure appears that there are a lot of "persons" here who really want to be the teacher, but who claim that "IT" has happened to "them", even while saying nothing has happened to noone!!! Seems like a bunch of "dualing ego's, doesn't it? I have observed this tendency arising in the so-called "me" many times.....it really is seductive and can get very subltle. BUT, any "true" advaitan (oh no, we are at risk of becoming something!!! :-) ) would say, "no problemo. IT IS just part of what IS. " Maybe we should start a contest for the Best Would-be teacher! Or better yet, why don't we just let His Bobness play the role .......ofcourse, while knowing, like all "true" advaitans, that there is no teacher or student. HEY CHARLIE, I think you got company in the luny bin!!! Don't ya just LOVE IT!!! It sure appears that there are a lot of “persons” here who really want to be the teacher, but who claim that “IT” has happened to “them”, even while saying nothing has happened to noone!!! Seems like a bunch of “dualing ego’s, doesn’t it? I have observed this tendency arising in the so-called “me” many times…..it really is seductive and can get very subltle. BUT, any “true” advaitan (oh no, we are at risk of becoming something!!! :-) ) would say, “no problemo. IT IS just part of what IS. ” Maybe we should start a contest for the Best Would-be teacher! Or better yet, why don’t we just let His Bobness play the role …….ofcourse, while knowing, like all “true” advaitans, that there is no teacher or student. HEY CHARLIE, I think you got company in the luny bin!!! Don’t ya just LOVE IT!!!

]]> By: Stan http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-759 Stan Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:14:01 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-759 Thoughts don't fuck anything up, but the ATTACHMENT to them sure can. They're clouds in the skylike awareness, and as such will come and go by themselves. I've just finished reading James Braha's book Living Reality. If you can't meet Bob in person (or even if you can), get yourself a copy, it's superb. Stan Thoughts don’t fuck anything up, but the ATTACHMENT to them sure can. They’re clouds in the skylike awareness, and as such will come and go by themselves.

I’ve just finished reading James Braha’s book Living Reality. If you can’t meet Bob in person (or even if you can), get yourself a copy, it’s superb.

Stan

]]> By: Rob Ek http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-758 Rob Ek Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:47:45 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-758 Yes, so it is.... Thou are That! I asked questions (and de most important: Who am I?) for almost 15 years.... And now a Wild Bunch of Australians succeeded in me to surrender...while 'I' was laughing! Rob http://www.chakraplein.nl/in_english___.htm Yes, so it is…. Thou are That!

I asked questions (and de most important: Who am I?) for almost 15 years….

And now a Wild Bunch of Australians succeeded in me to surrender…while ‘I’ was laughing!

Rob

http://www.chakraplein.nl/in_english___.htm

]]> By: charlie http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-757 charlie Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:53:44 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-757 seeking went on so long it became a way of life that "i" could not give up ... an addiction. Just the same as booze or drugs ... even racing cars, and other risky shit ... always seeking the next high. There is a profound (?) insight opening for me. I am not sane. The me that thinks it is real is an insane character in a play written by a madman. So what to do? How can a character in a play do anything? It plays its nutty role. Ouside looking in, I see the insanity. Outside looking in I see the total and absolute automaticity of the machine called charlie. It's time, I believe, to move into a more practical expression of who I really am (the True Self) ... I really need to go out and have fun and make some money before I end up out on the street (again, it happened in the eighties and I am really not interested in an encore performance.) The paradox of this Advaita philosophy ... I do not exist *and* I am a Self, expressing ... seeming to choose, seeming to decide. So I am off to work again. Come say hello at www.charliehayes.net if you'd like to. Any comment, Bob? Love you Bob Love you all seeking went on so long it became a way of life that “i” could not give up … an addiction. Just the same as booze or drugs … even racing cars, and other risky shit … always seeking the next high.

There is a profound (?) insight opening for me. I am not sane. The me that thinks it is real is an insane character in a play written by a madman. So what to do? How can a character in a play do anything? It plays its nutty role.

Ouside looking in, I see the insanity. Outside looking in I see the total and absolute automaticity of the machine called charlie.

It’s time, I believe, to move into a more practical expression of who I really am (the True Self) … I really need to go out and have fun and make some money before I end up out on the street (again, it happened in the eighties and I am really not interested in an encore performance.)

The paradox of this Advaita philosophy … I do not exist *and* I am a Self, expressing … seeming to choose, seeming to decide.

So I am off to work again. Come say hello at http://www.charliehayes.net if you’d like to.

Any comment, Bob?

Love you Bob
Love you all

]]> By: justafriend http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-756 justafriend Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:47:01 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-756 tat tvam asi tat tvam asi

]]> By: Rob Ek http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-755 Rob Ek Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:34:35 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-755 Bob, Gilbert, Mark, Nisargadatta, Nathan, Tony, Alexander and all those others (who are the same That I am as That I am) teach us that searching for oneSelf is preventing to see One's Self. Alle these questions and remarks here are a proof that the searching goes on and on and on als long as there are questions, and as long as questioners keep asking..... For years I've waited for that One Sentence that would blow my disbelieves. I read so many, but I kept up searching. Bob and Gilbert succeeded in stopping me with the search. Just Be, feel, see, hear, sense, smell and don't let your thinking take over. And be patiënt. Love, Rob The Netherlands Bob, Gilbert, Mark, Nisargadatta, Nathan, Tony, Alexander and all those others (who are the same That I am as That I am) teach us that searching for oneSelf is preventing to see One’s Self. Alle these questions and remarks here are a proof that the searching goes on and on and on als long as there are questions, and as long as questioners keep asking…..

For years I’ve waited for that One Sentence that would blow my disbelieves. I read so many, but I kept up searching.

Bob and Gilbert succeeded in stopping me with the search.

Just Be, feel, see, hear, sense, smell and don’t let your thinking take over. And be patiënt.

Love,
Rob
The Netherlands

]]> By: Vicki Woodyard http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-753 Vicki Woodyard Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:32:08 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-753 No trip to IAM? Somebody tell Triple A(dvaita). No trip to IAM? Somebody tell Triple A(dvaita).

]]> By: Tan http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-752 Tan Mon, 13 Mar 2006 02:48:37 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-752 dear vicky, there is no trip to IAM. Love t dear vicky, there is no trip to IAM.
Love
t

]]> By: Tan http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-751 Tan Mon, 13 Mar 2006 02:41:08 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-751 Some have offered the opinion that "Thought" fucks up everything. Seems different to me here. Thinking is just something that is happening. If there is a "fucked up" assumption that there is a person who is doing, controlling etc. Then thinking will work under that fucked up assumption. It will appear to fuck up everything. Same if you have the assumption that quicksand is solid. And you build a house. The construction engineers, the architect may be great. The house will still be "fucked up". If you still believe that quicksand is solid you may believe that the architect or engineer fucked it up. Same if there is still the assumption that there is a "solid person" doing stuff. There is no right or wrong about the idea that thinking is fucked up or that it is great. All that is the perfect way/gift to see the illusion as what it is. QUESTION TO BOB-CAMERON: Is thinking fucking things up or not? What is your view pals on the show? Cheers p.s. and by the way is there something like "thinking" really or just IT appearing as "thinking". Some have offered the opinion that “Thought” fucks up everything.
Seems different to me here.

Thinking is just something that is happening.
If there is a “fucked up” assumption that there is a person who is doing, controlling etc. Then thinking will work under that fucked up assumption. It will appear to fuck up everything.

Same if you have the assumption that quicksand is solid. And you build a house. The construction engineers, the architect may be great. The house will still be “fucked up”.
If you still believe that quicksand is solid you may believe that the architect or engineer fucked it up.

Same if there is still the assumption that there is a “solid person” doing stuff.

There is no right or wrong about the idea that thinking is fucked up or that it is great. All that is the perfect way/gift to see the illusion as what it is.

QUESTION TO BOB-CAMERON:
Is thinking fucking things up or not?
What is your view pals on the show?

Cheers

p.s.
and by the way is there something like “thinking” really or just IT appearing as “thinking”.

]]> By: Bob Seal http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-750 Bob Seal Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:14:36 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-750 Tan: Enjoyed your view. Nadeem: love your questions. master zen: good to hear the cartoons resonate! wei wu wei whooooho! :> Tan: Enjoyed your view.
Nadeem: love your questions.
master zen: good to hear the cartoons resonate!
wei wu wei whooooho! :>

]]> By: A Horse with no name http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-749 A Horse with no name Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:42:41 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-749 ****** Dear “A Horse”, I bought my sunnies at Venice Beach in LA a few years ago for $10 and I love them to death. Of course, I’ve also had them blessed by the guru, so now they are priceless. I’m thinking of auctioning them off on Ebay. ****** I'll start the bidding...:) 1 - Guru Blessed pair of Trendy-liscious sunglasses. $9.99 US BTW -- Great pictures of the you and your fellow Aussies....:) I'll be making my way there soon. My good friend Jean-Pierre has been, and has good things to say about Melbourne....Somewhat similar to Dallas, TX (the place I call home) ... ~@~@~@~@ Till then, I've been through the desert...:) ****** Dear “A Horse”, I bought my sunnies at Venice Beach in LA a few years ago for $10 and I love them to death. Of course, I’ve also had them blessed by the guru, so now they are priceless. I’m thinking of auctioning them off on Ebay. ******

I’ll start the bidding…:)

1 - Guru Blessed pair of Trendy-liscious sunglasses. $9.99 US

BTW — Great pictures of the you and your fellow Aussies….:)

I’ll be making my way there soon. My good friend Jean-Pierre has been, and has good things to say about Melbourne….Somewhat similar to Dallas, TX (the place I call home) … ~@~@~@~@

Till then,

I’ve been through the desert…:)

]]> By: Nothingspecial http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-748 Nothingspecial Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:56:30 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-748 just quacking in the mirror, dreaming he is a duck but really nothing happens heehee just quacking in the mirror, dreaming he is a duck

but really nothing happens heehee

]]> By: Rick http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-746 Rick Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:16:18 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-746 Looks like it's still $10 for the unblessed model.... http://ocshades.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=174&osCsid=bb12943cc0137646ee3532d6bf9d4d56 Looks like it’s still $10 for the unblessed model….

http://ocshades.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=174&osCsid=bb12943cc0137646ee3532d6bf9d4d56

]]> By: Cameron http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-745 Cameron Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:28:20 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-745 Dear "A Horse", I bought my sunnies at Venice Beach in LA a few years ago for $10 and I love them to death. Of course, I've also had them blessed by the guru, so now they are priceless. I'm thinking of auctioning them off on Ebay. Dear “A Horse”, I bought my sunnies at Venice Beach in LA a few years ago for $10 and I love them to death. Of course, I’ve also had them blessed by the guru, so now they are priceless. I’m thinking of auctioning them off on Ebay.

]]> By: master zen http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-743 master zen Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:44:07 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-743 By the way, Charlie you have a good website, love the Nisardagatta page. Bob Seal, love your cartooons, they really hit home! By the way,

Charlie you have a good website, love the Nisardagatta page.

Bob Seal, love your cartooons, they really hit home!

]]> By: Vicki Woodyard http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-742 Vicki Woodyard Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:40:31 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-742 I'm all for Cameron and Bob winging it. Forget the doofuses (doofi) myself included, who are just postponing the inevitable trip to "I am." We are not the show; they are. A real question will stand out in the crowd and Cam won't have to dig through forty pages to find it. Vicki I’m all for Cameron and Bob winging it. Forget the doofuses (doofi) myself included, who are just postponing the inevitable trip to “I am.”

We are not the show; they are. A real question will stand out in the crowd and Cam won’t have to dig through forty pages to find it.

Vicki

]]> By: master zen http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-741 master zen Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:34:09 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-741 quack! quack! quack! quack!

]]> By: Tan http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-740 Tan Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:53:59 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-740 Bob, Cam Forget my "question" and that long paragraph above , yawn. save the little time you have on the show for other stuff. cheers Bob, Cam
Forget my “question” and that long paragraph above , yawn.
save the little time you have on the show for other stuff.
cheers

]]> By: Tan http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-739 Tan Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:37:29 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-739 QUESTION: Bob, Cam, dear other guests: What is your opinion on the below? --- Too much fuss is made by the mind about "Enlightenment", "Awakening", "Liberation" etc. The mind is imagening a beautiful state of ever bliss, gentle voices speaking in everlasting love and warmth with no anger ever and compassionate wisdom. This is bullshit thought up and just imagination. Has nothing to with IT. Awakening is just seeing that, there is no person behind all of this. That seeing happens by noone or the "one" - whatever is preferred as a description. Nothing else changes. It may be similar to when one sees that clouds or thick fog are not solid. May appear like that until you come close to it for the first time and see what it is. Before that there just may have been the assumption that it was solid. Suffering, anger, pride and the big defense mechanism that were based on the assumption that there is a person to defend, a person to be proud of or a person to be ashamed of or a person to be improved slowly fade away. They may or may not fade away because nothing can be taken as certain. It faded away for "me". It may or may not happen. It does not matter. In Liberation everything is included. Hate, Love. Anger, Egoism etc. Everything is included because nothing has a real meaning anymore or can be labeled as right/wrong etc. it is seen as what it is. the one. balance has slowly almost unrecognizably crept into this life. No one has achieved this balance and harmony. It was always there but never recognized. there is very often a sense of surprise what comes out of this mouth, what reaction or actions are happening. Things that were done before always in a specific way are seen from a different angle. That makes it so interesting and enjoyable. Freedom. Freedom ... of choice or "how spontaneous" it seems maybe, but there is no one choosing it or being spontanous. A great story where no one knows the plot ... created by Tan for the enjoyment of Tan happening in Tan without even Tan knowing. Cheers QUESTION:
Bob, Cam, dear other guests:
What is your opinion on the below?
—
Too much fuss is made by the mind about “Enlightenment”, “Awakening”, “Liberation” etc.

The mind is imagening a beautiful state of ever bliss, gentle voices speaking in everlasting love and warmth with no anger ever and compassionate wisdom.
This is bullshit thought up and just imagination. Has nothing to with IT.

Awakening is just seeing that, there is no person behind all of this. That seeing happens by noone or the “one” - whatever is preferred as a description.

Nothing else changes. It may be similar to when one sees that clouds or thick fog are not solid. May appear like that until you come close to it for the first time and see what it is. Before that there just may have been the assumption that it was solid.

Suffering, anger, pride and the big defense mechanism that were based on the assumption that there is a person to defend, a person to be proud of or a person to be ashamed of or a person to be improved slowly fade away. They may or may not fade away because nothing can be taken as certain. It faded away for “me”. It may or may not happen. It does not matter.

In Liberation everything is included. Hate, Love. Anger, Egoism etc.
Everything is included because nothing has a real meaning anymore or can be labeled as right/wrong etc. it is seen as what it is. the one.

balance has slowly almost unrecognizably crept into this life. No one has achieved this balance and harmony. It was always there but never recognized. there is very often a sense of surprise what comes out of this mouth, what reaction or actions are happening. Things that were done before always in a specific way are seen from a different angle. That makes it so interesting and enjoyable. Freedom.
Freedom … of choice or “how spontaneous” it seems maybe, but there is no one choosing it or being spontanous.

A great story where no one knows the plot … created by Tan for the enjoyment of Tan happening in Tan without even Tan knowing.

Cheers

]]> By: A Horse with no name http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-738 A Horse with no name Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:14:56 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-738 Wow.....!!! I could think of hundreds of things to say....! and feel the ridicule bouncing back before it's even typed. Noticing the warring factions on this very site is getting a bit interesting to say the least. Wake up....and smell the coffee...:):):) Oh...I have nothing to say that will really make a difference. Being a virgin 1st time post-ing I just want to know where I can get some sunglasses like Cameron's...:) (Insert something advaita sounding here) Wow…..!!! I could think of hundreds of things to say….! and feel the ridicule bouncing back before it’s even typed.

Noticing the warring factions on this very site is getting a bit interesting to say the least.

Wake up….and smell the coffee…:):):) Oh…I have nothing to say that will really make a difference. Being a virgin 1st time post-ing I just want to know where I can get some sunglasses like Cameron’s…:)

(Insert something advaita sounding here)

]]> By: Gary http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-736 Gary Sun, 12 Mar 2006 09:38:47 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-736 Nadeem: Forget the Advaita philosophy. It is just an effort to describe what is experienced. The only thing that is important is for you to experience the thing that is being pointed to. Who cares if the explanation as to what is going on is correct? The bottom line is that you can eliminate personal suffering. All these questions are of the mind and as such keep the mind thinking. To end suffering you must go beyond the mind. There is no "truth". Forget it.. Nadeem:

Forget the Advaita philosophy. It is just an effort to describe what is experienced. The only thing that is important is for you to experience the thing that is being pointed to. Who cares if the explanation as to what is going on is correct? The bottom line is that you can eliminate personal suffering. All these questions are of the mind and as such keep the mind thinking. To end suffering you must go beyond the mind. There is no “truth”. Forget it..

]]> By: Enrique http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-735 Enrique Sun, 12 Mar 2006 09:24:49 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-735 Dear Nadeem, First of all the you who wants to understand is a basic mis-understanding.Second point;If you believe in the reality of this manifestation then the following should pretty much verify the 'existence of awareness'........ as far as 'the existence of awareness' and 'all traces of you-ness must be from the the human brain', how would 'you' account for the many documented cases of subjects being brain dead and having near death experiences where there was an awareness of the experience verified by medical professionls monitoring the event? you can verify these claims, just google' near death experience-brain dead' : } This is That... Whatever ; ) Dear Nadeem,
First of all the you who wants to understand is a basic mis-understanding.Second point;If you believe in the reality of this manifestation then the following should pretty much verify the ‘existence of awareness’……..
as far as ‘the existence of awareness’ and ‘all traces of you-ness must be from the the human brain’, how would ‘you’ account for the many documented cases of subjects being brain dead and having near death experiences where there was an awareness of the experience verified by medical professionls monitoring the event? you can verify these claims, just google’ near death experience-brain dead’ : } This is That… Whatever ; )

]]> By: Nadeem http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-734 Nadeem Sun, 12 Mar 2006 06:10:42 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-734 It seems to me that these responses tend to presuppose the existence of awarenenss, the truth of the pointers, which is what I'm trying to challenge. Sorry if I'm wrong about that and just not understanding it yet ;). I'd love to hear the sailor's thoughts on it, though I can anticipate what they might be. I still believe that 'You' are human, as in, ALL traces of 'You-ness' must be from the human brain. It seems to me that these responses tend to presuppose the existence of awarenenss, the truth of the pointers, which is what I’m trying to challenge. Sorry if I’m wrong about that and just not understanding it yet ;). I’d love to hear the sailor’s thoughts on it, though I can anticipate what they might be. I still believe that ‘You’ are human, as in, ALL traces of ‘You-ness’ must be from the human brain.

]]> By: Nothingspecial http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-733 Nothingspecial Sun, 12 Mar 2006 00:02:36 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-733 master zen, you are still mentally masterbating... we are all equal. you know nothing. we are the pure un-labeled, space of awareness whichi is before knowledge arises. Aim the inquiry right back at that little thought that thinks it knows. Your lingo and posing do not cut it. Take your images and burn them all. Every time you open your mouth you just show you are a lame duck, "quack, quack!" What is the point of you, master zen, speaking? Who are you going to give knowledge to? Do you actually have friends you can talk normally with? What does this Fake spiritual personality get you? Full stop your ADD commentary and stick with the Being you know you Are which is before thought... master zen, you are still mentally masterbating…
we are all equal. you know nothing. we are the pure un-labeled, space of awareness whichi is before knowledge arises.

Aim the inquiry right back at that little thought that thinks it knows.

Your lingo and posing do not cut it. Take your images and burn them all. Every time you open your mouth you just show you are a lame duck, “quack, quack!”

What is the point of you, master zen, speaking? Who are you going to give knowledge to? Do you actually have friends you can talk normally with? What does this Fake spiritual personality get you? Full stop your ADD commentary and stick with the Being you know you Are which is before thought…

]]> By: Bob Seal http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-732 Bob Seal Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:55:37 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-732 Nadeem said: QUESTION: Aren’t sages taking a sense that they get from their psychosomatic organism and believing it goes for the entire universe? Be interested to see what his Bobness says about this question. This is how the question above appears here: The question asked comes from the duality of mind. The view of the person or (sage) in the duality is seen as a question. This Person or (sage) has thoughts which come from sensations and are resolved by an answer for the mind. (There is No sage or Person asking the question, it's just Oneness playing a game. Or If it's seen that there is only Oneness and the seeming Person or (sage) is a ripple of energy appearing in the Oneness, then the question disappears. Oneness is the question creator and dissolver. All questions appear in the duality. Duality is just Oneness playing a game of asking questions. So the answer to the question is Yes and No depending upon where the point of reference comes from. In the Duality or from Oneness. This is all words and concepts that all! Nadeem said:
QUESTION: Aren’t sages taking a sense that they get from their psychosomatic organism and believing it goes for the entire universe?

Be interested to see what his Bobness says about this question.

This is how the question above appears here:
The question asked comes from the duality of mind.
The view of the person or (sage) in the duality is seen as a question.
This Person or (sage) has thoughts which come from sensations and are resolved by an answer for the mind. (There is No sage or Person asking the question, it’s just Oneness playing a game.
Or
If it’s seen that there is only Oneness and the seeming Person or (sage) is a ripple of energy appearing in the Oneness, then the question disappears.
Oneness is the question creator and dissolver.
All questions appear in the duality.
Duality is just Oneness playing a game of asking questions.

So the answer to the question is Yes and No depending upon where the point of reference comes from. In the Duality or from Oneness.

This is all words and concepts that all!

]]> By: Tan http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-731 Tan Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:37:03 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-731 Hey Charlie, if you think "Thought" fucks everything up, then you are fucked. cheers Hey Charlie,
if you think “Thought” fucks everything up, then you are fucked.
cheers

]]> By: master zen http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-730 master zen Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:35:59 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-730 you're still bouncing concepts off of yourself you’re still bouncing concepts off of yourself

]]> By: Charlie Hayes http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-729 Charlie Hayes Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:00:58 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-729 master zen? masturbate. master zen?
masturbate.

]]> By: Charlie Hayes http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-728 Charlie Hayes Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:59:20 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-728 CC to the "Bobananda Group" Hi All, I’ve just added an interview with Jan Kersschot – The Daydream Unmasked - (copy and paste the link into your browser address line) http://www.advaita.org.uk/discourses/teachers/daydream_kersschot.htm Best wishes, Dennis (Waite) Great stuff from Jan, the author of "This Is It" Love, c. CC to the “Bobananda Group”
Hi All,
I’ve just added an interview with Jan Kersschot – The Daydream Unmasked - (copy and paste the link into your browser address line)

http://www.advaita.org.uk/discourses/teachers/daydream_kersschot.htm

Best wishes, Dennis (Waite)
Great stuff from Jan, the author of “This Is It”
Love,
c.

]]> By: Bob Seal http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-727 Bob Seal Sat, 11 Mar 2006 00:57:26 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-727 Didn't work this is the link: Philosophy: Wei-Wu-Wei nondual action by David Loy http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-PHIL/loy3.htm Didn’t work this is the link:
Philosophy: Wei-Wu-Wei nondual action by David Loy
http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-PHIL/loy3.htm

]]> By: Bob Seal http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-726 Bob Seal Sat, 11 Mar 2006 00:48:53 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-726 Nadeem, The basic problem seems to be trying to answer this in the duality of mind (ego). All ideas of oneness are in the mind, it's all concepts that the mind wants an answer to. The mind here carries on as it always has, but now it is not attached to as often as it used to be. The thoughts come and go, action takes place when it takes place and or non action takes place. But now there is a knowing that everything is as it is. There is just a seeing as it is or not seeing as it is and awareness doesn't give a damn what the (ego) mind thinks it sees or doesn't see. The cartoons just appear and are drawn here! Before all this understanding came up, I (ego) self suffered thinking it was trying to create cartoons and it was really hardwork, now they just appear fully formed! It's just amazing to witness this happening. I just read a couple of articles about the Tao and Wei Wu Wei. They give a Taoist view of all this. you might find them interesting. The Wu-Wei Principle: http://www.jadedragon.com/archives/june98/tao.html Philosophy: Wei-Wu-Wei nondual action by David Loy http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULTEXT/JR-PHIL/loy3.htm Remember this is all fingers pointing at the moon stuff! love :) Lovely one Charlie. Spot on,"Thought fucks everything up really" Nadeem,

The basic problem seems to be trying to answer this in the duality of mind (ego).
All ideas of oneness are in the mind, it’s all concepts that the mind wants an answer to. The mind here carries on as it always has, but now it is not attached to as often as it used to be. The thoughts come and go, action takes place when it takes place and or non action takes place. But now there is a knowing that everything is as it is.

There is just a seeing as it is or not seeing as it is and awareness doesn’t give a damn what the (ego) mind thinks it sees or doesn’t see.

The cartoons just appear and are drawn here!

Before all this understanding came up, I (ego) self suffered thinking it was trying to create cartoons and it was really hardwork, now they just appear fully formed! It’s just amazing to witness this happening.

I just read a couple of articles about the Tao and Wei Wu Wei.
They give a Taoist view of all this. you might find them interesting.
The Wu-Wei Principle:
http://www.jadedragon.com/archives/june98/tao.html
Philosophy: Wei-Wu-Wei nondual action by David Loy
http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULTEXT/JR-PHIL/loy3.htm

Remember this is all fingers pointing at the moon stuff!
love :)

Lovely one Charlie. Spot on,”Thought fucks everything up really”

]]> By: master zen http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-725 master zen Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:49:17 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-725 Stop bouncing concepts off of yourself to see which ones feel good. Spend some time without the sensations of the body or mind. Just be. A man does not find peace, he becomes it. Stop bouncing concepts off of yourself to see which ones feel good.

Spend some time without the sensations of the body or mind.

Just be.

A man does not find peace, he becomes it.

]]> By: master zen http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-724 master zen Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:16:35 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2006/03/07/the-advaita-show-023-the-filthy-guru/#comment-724 There is an "I", there is a soul, you are it. That you are this human body, is the mis-identification. The eye (I) does not usually see itself, does that mean it does not exist? If the eye (I) was to see itself, and understand the mechanics itself, it would then understand why it does not see itself. Then would it deny it's existence? No. There is an “I”, there is a soul, you are it.

That you are this human body, is the mis-identification.

The eye (I) does not usually see itself, does that mean it does not exist?

If the eye (I) was to see itself, and understand the mechanics itself, it would then understand why it does not see itself. Then would it deny it’s existence? No.

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