Comments on: The Advaita Show #012 - The No-Thing In The Red Shirt http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/ The search for Truth and the nature of reality. Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:58:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Cameron http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-25803 Cameron Thu, 04 Jan 2007 08:38:29 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-25803 Carol, I'm not sure about being a logical positivist (even AFTER I've read the wikipedia entry), but it does sound pretty rational to me. The whole angle of discussing chemistry and sub-atomic particles I find to be a 21st century doorway into this whole advaita thing. Yes - they are concepts which appear in awareness. For most people struggling to make any sense out of advaita-speak though, I like to use common concepts that we all understand as an entry point to demonstrate things like the non-existence of free will. It's been my experience that once people let go of the idea of free will, everything else falls into place. Carol, I’m not sure about being a logical positivist (even AFTER I’ve read the wikipedia entry), but it does sound pretty rational to me.

The whole angle of discussing chemistry and sub-atomic particles I find to be a 21st century doorway into this whole advaita thing.

Yes - they are concepts which appear in awareness.

For most people struggling to make any sense out of advaita-speak though, I like to use common concepts that we all understand as an entry point to demonstrate things like the non-existence of free will.

It’s been my experience that once people let go of the idea of free will, everything else falls into place.

]]> By: Carol Long http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-25801 Carol Long Thu, 04 Jan 2007 08:14:36 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-25801 Cameron, you sound like a logical positivist (materialist), with your belief in "chemistry" and our true being as sub-atomic particles. All those are just patterns in awareness, as opined by one of the physicists you've mentioned in the podcasts. Where would the patterns be without awareness of them? Who knows the patterns? love, Carol Cameron, you sound like a logical positivist (materialist), with your belief in “chemistry” and our true being as sub-atomic particles. All those are just patterns in awareness, as opined by one of the physicists you’ve mentioned in the podcasts. Where would the patterns be without awareness of them? Who knows the patterns? love, Carol

]]> By: Tan http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-150 Tan Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:02:00 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-150 How did the whole "Guru Inc." story of Bob start? (... I am asking in secret to see if there is a copyable business modell. Sureley to be improved by me in terms of efficiency and marketing. I mean did you take a look at GuruBob Inc.s revenue and earning growth, they suck and are way below of the industry leaders like "PowerofNowE.TolleMegalomaniacCompanyListentoME,ME,ME Inc.".) But hey now really "seriously" how did it happen that bob started giving answers to stupid questions of all type of folks (of course me included) instead of laying low and doing some gardening? How did it all come together after the time with the 'Niz'? p.s. (... and the "out of compassion/love"-routine/answer is duly noted but not accepted for this instance. sha-wing!") How did the whole “Guru Inc.” story of Bob start?

(… I am asking in secret to see if there is a copyable business modell. Sureley to be improved by me in terms of efficiency and marketing. I mean did you take a look at GuruBob Inc.s revenue and earning growth, they suck and are way below of the industry leaders like “PowerofNowE.TolleMegalomaniacCompanyListentoME,ME,ME Inc.”.)

But hey now really “seriously” how did it happen that bob started giving answers to stupid questions of all type of folks (of course me included) instead of laying low and doing some gardening? How did it all come together after the time with the ‘Niz’?

p.s.
(… and the “out of compassion/love”-routine/answer is duly noted but not accepted for this instance. sha-wing!”)

]]> By: charlie hayes http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-148 charlie hayes Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:56:42 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-148 the 'sages' say STOP ... be still how? is there someone who can 'stop?' someone who can 'be still?' where in heaven or hell IS that one that CAN DO THAT? if you find one send it to me we'll bottle it and sell it to seekers and oh hell yes ... make a bloody fortune with that, we would... ~ madman across the water a pox on all who "sell" 'the end of suffering' to "others!" cheers and love to bob who sells noone nothing the ’sages’ say STOP … be still

how?
is there someone who can ’stop?’
someone who can ‘be still?’
where in heaven or hell IS that one that CAN DO THAT?
if you find one send it to me
we’ll bottle it and sell it to seekers
and oh hell yes …
make a bloody fortune with that, we would…

~ madman across the water
a pox on all who “sell” ‘the end of suffering’ to “others!”

cheers and love to bob who sells noone nothing

]]> By: Stan http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-146 Stan Mon, 28 Nov 2005 02:11:34 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-146 I enjoyed your recent podcast, especially the discussion on the AA fellowship. From time to time I attend the fellowship known as Gambers Anonymous, which has the same 12 step recovery program. A sticking point for this body mind (I call it the bodmin) has always been the references to God or a higher power in steps 2, 3, 7 and 11. Bob, thank you for helping to clarify steps 2 and 3 (“Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to a normal way of thinking and living” and “Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of this Power of our own understanding”). However, step 7 (“Humbly asked God (of our understanding) to remove our shortcomings”) still hangs me up. It seems to assume that there is someone here who can have shortcomings, and that this ‘I’ can ask God (Self, Consciousness, Intelligence Energy, etc) to help ‘me’. All my ‘Who am I’ inquiries have made it clear to me that there is no one here who can do any asking. The most that can be said is that asking may or may not happen, but there is no self here to do it. Also, having a collection of things called ‘shortcomings’ is itself a bunch of concepts based on comparison with another bunch concepts called an ideal ‘self’ that this illusory self thinks is better and who wants things to be different than they are. The Serenity Prayer also sticks a bit. Since there’s no self that God can grant serenity to, and no one here in this bodmin to change the things ‘I’ can, how can the prayer with any honesty and sincerity? I enjoyed your recent podcast, especially the discussion on the AA fellowship.

From time to time I attend the fellowship known as Gambers Anonymous, which has the same 12 step recovery program. A sticking point for this body mind (I call it the bodmin) has always been the references to God or a higher power in steps 2, 3, 7 and 11.

Bob, thank you for helping to clarify steps 2 and 3 (“Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to a normal way of thinking and living” and “Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of this Power of our own understanding”).

However, step 7 (“Humbly asked God (of our understanding) to remove our shortcomings”) still hangs me up. It seems to assume that there is someone here who can have shortcomings, and that this ‘I’ can ask God (Self, Consciousness, Intelligence Energy, etc) to help ‘me’. All my ‘Who am I’ inquiries have made it clear to me that there is no one here who can do any asking. The most that can be said is that asking may or may not happen, but there is no self here to do it. Also, having a collection of things called ‘shortcomings’ is itself a bunch of concepts based on comparison with another bunch concepts called an ideal ‘self’ that this illusory self thinks is better and who wants things to be different than they are.

The Serenity Prayer also sticks a bit. Since there’s no self that God can grant serenity to, and no one here in this bodmin to change the things ‘I’ can, how can the prayer with any honesty and sincerity?

]]> By: Daryl http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-144 Daryl Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:40:47 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-144 What is the symbol Bob has around his neck in the t-shirt photo What is the symbol Bob has around his neck in the t-shirt photo

]]> By: Polly http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-141 Polly Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:32:58 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-141 I'd be more inclined to buy your advaita t-shirt if you both stripped off for it...What do you say? I think you'd sell alot more. ps - thanks Cam for your take on 'separateness' which i posted after the last show ..Made sense to me :-) Polly I’d be more inclined to buy your advaita t-shirt if you both stripped off for it…What do you say? I think you’d sell alot more.

ps - thanks Cam for your take on ’separateness’ which i posted after the last show ..Made sense to me :-)

Polly

]]> By: charlie hayes http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-134 charlie hayes Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:47:21 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-134 cameron, didja ever wake up and feel like you were a bit player in a movie written by a madman? ... especially after listening to the advaita show? is NOTHING sacred? uuhhh Yeah.... cameron,
didja ever wake up and feel like you were a bit player in a movie written by a madman?
… especially after listening to the advaita show?

is NOTHING sacred?
uuhhh
Yeah….

]]> By: Mark http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-133 Mark Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:35:01 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-133 Hi Cam and Bob... Great show as usual. I find myself laughing along with you guys as I walk the streets of Massachusetts! Cameron, apparently my question from last week was the one that didn't get recorded because of your downed Ipod. It sounded like you guys really tacked it so I was bummed out that we didn't hear it! So here is my question again...just in case you feel like re-answering it: 1. Bob says there’s no ‘body’ there doing anything. He says things like “Does the seeing say ‘I see?’” Does the hearing say “I hear”? I get that, but aren’t we each born with unique “God Given” talents and motivations that set us apart, and doesn’t that imply that there’s a DOER which chooses to ACT on those desires and talents or NOT? There are an awful lot of couch potatoes out there. Isn’t it our PERSONAL WILL that sets those inclinations in motion? Why would this Intelligence Energy give us these distinct drives, yet simultaneously give us a MIND which often RESISTS acting on them? Isn’t that why there really IS free will? Hi Cam and Bob…
Great show as usual. I find myself laughing along with you guys as I walk the streets of Massachusetts!

Cameron, apparently my question from last week was the one that didn’t get recorded because of your downed Ipod. It sounded like you guys really tacked it so I was bummed out that we didn’t hear it! So here is my question again…just in case you feel like re-answering it:

1. Bob says there’s no ‘body’ there doing anything. He says things like “Does the seeing say ‘I see?’” Does the hearing say “I hear”? I get that, but aren’t we each born with unique “God Given” talents and motivations that set us apart, and doesn’t that imply that there’s a DOER which chooses to ACT on those desires and talents or NOT? There are an awful lot of couch potatoes out there. Isn’t it our PERSONAL WILL that sets those inclinations in motion? Why would this Intelligence Energy give us these distinct drives, yet simultaneously give us a MIND which often RESISTS acting on them? Isn’t that why there really IS free will?

]]> By: ravi http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-132 ravi Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:58:51 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-132 if nothing is in the control of this "body-mind" organism then: - do we have the power to be present in the now ??? - do we have the power to give up desire ??? regards ravi from Bangalore, India if nothing is in the control of this “body-mind” organism then:
- do we have the power to be present in the now ???
- do we have the power to give up desire ???

regards
ravi from Bangalore, India

]]> By: ravi http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-131 ravi Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:58:16 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-131 Since Time is an illusion, and it is easy to see that the great ever-present-Now is all there is, then isn't it incorrect to condesend other spiritual "paths" on the pretext that they imply "a path" in time ??? If time is an illusion, then all paths are only NOW. OR in other words Advaita is also a "path" regards ravi from Bangalore, India Since Time is an illusion, and it is easy to see that the great ever-present-Now is all there is, then isn’t it incorrect to condesend other spiritual “paths” on the pretext that they imply “a path” in time ??? If time is an illusion, then all paths are only NOW. OR in other words Advaita is also a “path”

regards
ravi from Bangalore, India

]]> By: ravi http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-130 ravi Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:57:46 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-130 So, "i" do not exist, The "I-am-ness" also doesn't exist, there is no heaven,hell or re-incarnation, then why bother with the satsang??? How does it matter if another part of this illusion "doesn't get it"??? Some say to experience Bliss, but isn't the experience of bliss also an illusion??? so, lets just let it be. The world is perfect as it is. so why bother with Advaita or anything else??? comment please thanks for all the pointers regards ravi from Bangalore, India So, “i” do not exist, The “I-am-ness” also doesn’t exist, there is no heaven,hell or re-incarnation, then why bother with the satsang??? How does it matter if another part of this illusion “doesn’t get it”??? Some say to experience Bliss, but isn’t the experience of bliss also an illusion??? so, lets just let it be. The world is perfect as it is. so why bother with Advaita or anything else???

comment please

thanks for all the pointers

regards
ravi from Bangalore, India

]]> By: Richard Appleyard http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-129 Richard Appleyard Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:17:02 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-129 Why is there a difference between "my" experience in dreamless sleep and "my" experience in the waking state? It appears that a conscious mind body organism is necessary to create the phenomenal world. Richard Madrid, Spain Why is there a difference between “my” experience in dreamless sleep and “my” experience in the waking state?

It appears that a conscious mind body organism is necessary to create the phenomenal world.

Richard
Madrid, Spain

]]> By: misa http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-128 misa Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:01:35 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-128 I love these shows said my uncle and sat into big deep rice pudding.. all your shows guys on one page http://mozaika.bloguje.cz/10_tema.php with The secret photo of sailor bob adamson! INTELLIGENCE -ENERGY bye I love these shows said my uncle and sat into big deep rice pudding..

all your shows guys on one page http://mozaika.bloguje.cz/10_tema.php with The secret photo of sailor bob adamson!

INTELLIGENCE -ENERGY

bye

]]> By: jérôme http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-127 jérôme Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:17:32 +0000 http://advaita.thepodcastnetwork.com/2005/11/22/the-advaita-show-012-the-no-thing-in-the-red-shirt/#comment-127 hi Bob,hi Cameron, a lot of teachers like Andrew Cohen or Echkart Tolle speak about the evolution of Conscioussness,and that we have a great mission on earth that is to make this Conscioussness evolve!!...what do you think of this complete no sense and BS ?? hi Bob,hi Cameron,
a lot of teachers like Andrew Cohen or Echkart Tolle speak about the evolution of Conscioussness,and that we have a great mission on earth that is to make this Conscioussness evolve!!…what do you think of this complete no sense and BS ??

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